It's is more of interpretation of whether or not a game counts I for one think that all the games count in a way but there are some things that are contradictory like when where Mega Evolutions discovered and if the Dark, Steel and Fairy types are really newly discovered or they might retcon this as the Fairy types where first mistaken for Normal type Pokémon and so forth.

They might mention that the Mega Evolution's where discovered in a faraway region.


Very true. ORAS haven't come out yet, so we don't know for sure how they'll implement Fairies and Megas without breaking the timeline. However, I do know that they won't be able to do it with a simple retcon like they did Dark and Steel.

In the original GSC, Jasmine alluded to Steel being a recently-discovered type:

"Thank you for your help at the Lighthouse... But this is different. Please allow me to introduce myself. I'm Jasmine, a Gym Leader. I use the steel-type. ...Do you know about the steel-type? It's a type that was only recently discovered. ...Um... May I begin?"


In HGSS, this dialog was altered to reflect the fact that Steel was no longer a new type, having existed in RSE and FRLG (which took place before HGSS):

"Thank you for your help at the Lighthouse... But this is different. Please allow me to introduce myself. I'm Jasmine, a Gym Leader. I use the...clang! Steel type! ...Do you know about the Steel type? They are very hard, cold, sharp, and really strong! Um... I'm not lying."


Since Generation 3 was basically a reboot, they were able to just retcon Dark and Steel into having always existed. Fairies and Megas, on the other hand, are a different story, because Generation 6 isn't a reboot. XY take place at the same time as B2W2, not Gens 1/3, so the timeline isn't being reset with ORAS. They will have to explain why Fairies and Megas existed in Hoenn as much as a decade ago, but not Kanto, Johto, Sinnoh, and Unova.

On the part of Emerald version...they (the developers of the video game) might have implemented some elements from Emerald but not all them but this is merely speculation.


We do know that Steven will be the Champion, and that Wattson's ace will be Magneton, so the major NPCs will obviously be based more on Ruby/Sapphire than Emerald. This means that Wallace will probably be the Sootopolis Gym Leader. So... What about Juan? If remakes always replace originals, and Juan isn't in ORAS... Does that mean he no longer exists? That he's been retconned out? What implications does that have for his appearance in B2W2?

As far as I'm concerned, HGSS only referenced Yellow, because its original version, GSC referenced Yellow as well, I don't think it specifically points towards FRLG not being canon.


If HGSS were truly sequels to FRLG and not Yellow, then they would've removed those references just like they changed Jasmine's dialog. They would've changed Erika's ace to Vileplume, replaced Koga's Venomoth with Weezing, changed Blue's English name to Green, and completely reworked Red's team.

One idea I remember seeing on another site in regards to Red's team was that HGSS could've taken advantage of the dual-slot mode on DS Lites and had the final battle on Mt. Silver literally be whoever your character and team in FRLG was. Not only would this have made both Red and Leaf equally canon, but it would also give them teams that are completely unbiased and consistent with FRLG.

Of course, they obviously would've still had to create a "default" team for those who didn't have FRLG or a DS Lite, which could've looked something like this:

- Togekiss
- Espeon
- Snorlax
- Articuno
- Zapdos
- Moltres

No starters, because you could only get one, and that would unfairly privilege one option over another. And, Togepi was a gift exclusive to FRLG, so having Togekiss explicitly recalls those games and not the originals. As for the birds... Well, why not? It's a final battle, so it's supposed to be tough, and those birds still have lower BSTs than Lance's Dragonite Trio.

I don't see why the Sevii Islands HAVE to be referenced, they're a minor chain of islands near Kanto, they're not necessarily well known.


Because, they're the primary thing that separates FRLG from the original games. They were a significant part of FRLG's version of the Gen 1 story, so why not reference them in the direct sequels, HGSS? All they needed was a little bit of dialog, possibly even a cameo from Celio or whatnot.

On the subject of Mega Evolution, its been shown that its very, very old, it could easily have been used or traveled to Kanto or Hoenn without being scientifically identified, studied and classified until Kalos.


Nice try, but Megas have never appeared in Kanto. Just because you personally like an anime special doesn't make it game canon.

As for Hoenn, see what I told Boshi234. They'll have to explain why Megas appeared in Hoenn years before XY, but not Kanto, Johto, Sinnoh, and Unova.